I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not a real firm believer in god
I read the bible one time (thanks dad) and I really thought it was just a story, it seems to me the people who are scared to die need to have something to turn to
i go to church every now and then but its kinda like a comedy show
if you wanna argue my opinion, I'm ready to preach the word and good luck making good sense of the things in there

I think its pretty cool that you've read the whole bible.
I've never read it clear through, from front to back, before. I was very young when I tried. I have studied and been taught from it all my life.
The time I spent in church are some of the best memories I have of my youth. All that time wasn't spent sitting in a pew listening the preacher. The church had a very positive influence on my life, I think. What about it is like a comedy show to you ?

church nowadays is filled with hippocritts and people who are there for show, they're all worried about what other people think about them
plus the funniest thing I've ever seen is the "healing" process done by the pastor that causes people to pass out, shake and stumble across the room crying
when you hear the pastor preach you are hearing their interpretation of what they read, not yours
read it for yourself so you don't have to trust their teachings, you'll know
thats when I came to realize its a big bunch of bs
I've brought questions to pastors,youth pastors, etc. and they have all spent an entire service talking around my question on another subject that is related but definitely doesn't answer my question, its fun to stump them

No one can make the decision for you to believe but you. THe world if full of people that preach what they think the bible says.
You will know when it all clicks for you. I am still trying figure the would out myself.

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Originally posted by the kid:
church nowadays is filled with hippocritts and people who are there for show, they're all worried about what other people think about them
plus the funniest thing I've ever seen is the "healing" process done by the pastor that causes people to pass out, shake and stumble across the room crying
when you hear the pastor preach you are hearing their interpretation of what they read, not yours
read it for yourself so you don't have to trust their teachings, you'll know
thats when I came to realize its a big bunch of bs
I've brought questions to pastors,youth pastors, etc. and they have all spent an entire service talking around my question on another subject that is related but definitely doesn't answer my question, its fun to stump them

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I guess everyone knows that I am the dad that made him read the bible. My son is great at reading comprehension, and I never was. I always hoped he would be able to explain some of it to me some day. The whole family always thought this kid would turn out to be a preacher, guess time will tell on that, but the on thing I can tell you son is that you will have to make the comitment yourself no one can do it for you. Remember that preachers are men also, they are men first, so they make mistakes just like everyone else. You cannot take the mistakes of men as a fault of religon. God made man and gave us free will, it is up to each one of us to make up our own minds as to whether we will love him and follow his teachings. So when your time comes it will be you standing before God answering for the mistakes in your own life. No excuses, no blaming others for misleading you, just you and God. So ask yourself this question everyday, and every time you choose to do something that you know is wrong,"if I were to meet God right now what would he think of me"? Everyone knows in their heart right from wrong, so if it feels wrong it most likely is. Oh yeah before I forget son, ask your self this one the next time you take a drink of alchol,"DO I WANT TO MEET GOD DRUNK"? Because you never know when you time is up. you are only promised the second in which you live.

you'll find the bible contradicts itself in places and for such a fair god, he isn't really fair at all
sorta a fairy tale for me, but maybe I just misunderstood what I've read
I really have a good understanding of things, but some of the concepts are too far fetched to be beleivable, much less possible
I'd like to find a pastor that could really give me no bs answers to my questions and make good sense of it
for now though, as far as I've concerned anyways, I'm not going to walk an impossibly straight line in this life just to serve god for all eternity
I don't serve anyone unless I'm getting a paycheck but I guess you never know whats going to happen, only time will tell

See now I can tell you you are wrong. You will always serve someone or something. If you are not serving God then you are surely serving the Devil. A true christian though does not walk the impossible straight line, but rather does as best as they can do and when they mess up as they all do they ask for forgiveness and guidence. Pastors don't know everything, just as fathers don't always know best, but both pastors and fathers try their best to do what is right for their followers and children. I think that you are looking in the wrong places for the answers you seek, instead of relying on a preacher to make you understand, pray to the lord for the ability to understand. Often times it is the unwilling heart that prohibits understanding whether in religon or telomarketing. How many people have you tried to train at work who just couldn't get what you were teaching? Could be you are a bad teacher, could be you are a good teacher, but the person just wasn't into what you were trying to show them. I bet some never made it through training because their heart just wasn't open to it.
They're so many posers in the churches today that it makes you feel like it is all made up and fake. But then the bible warns us about false prophets. I assure you there are people living as right as possible and if you know what to look for you will see them. If you know what to look for you will also see the posers who think that they are fooling everyone, but they are only fooling themselves. I raised you to be no bodies fool, to ask questions, and to make educated decisions, but when it comes down to religon it is totally based upon your faith, with no proof that you are right or wrong.
I have only myself to blame for your issues of faith, as I've struggled with it myself for so long, but you once believed in the lord. I wish you grandpa was still alive to help you, your brother, and sister understand better. He was one of few that I know was a true christian. Just because something seems impossible doesn't mean it is, with all the knowledge man has aquired there are things that have not and cannot be explained.

I'd really like to know what some of your questions are, Kid.

Let me say that I respect the honesty in your posts and then let me ask you this ... If you'd see me along the road, in the ditch, would you stop to help or see that I got help? Even if you knew you weren't going to get paid for those services I bet you would.

I believe the Bible to be a guide on our journey through this life. As some directions are, it can be confusing. No one says that it is the only path to travel but the shortcuts can have consequences.

So, what about the bible isn't fair?

The bible explains the beginning of life better than any other source.If you really believe in god, you can feel his love if you want to.
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the bible does have helping advice for almost any situation but the concept of eternal life is impossible, every circle has a beginning and an end if you look close enough
if you trace it back far enough, who made god, was he always around?impossible
eternity doesn't exist, sooner or later something has to happen, there is no such thing as forever
there is so many questions and i'm in a hurry, but as far as i'm concerned if it can't be explained in any way, it's a lie
if i can't touch or see or feel god, is he real?

i don't take life too seriously, the bible says every choice you make is already made for you so basically god chose who goes to heaven and who doesn't, wtf?
i can't change my destiny, so why try and worry about something you can't stop from happening and have no control over?
boys will be boys, not even god himself can stop that
i figure i'll just live my life and whatever happens is going to happen so i'll deal with it then
here's my motto:
make yourself known to god, should he exist, burn the museums, wipe your a#% with the mona lisa, just so that maybe if he is real, he will know your name


I don't want to offend anyone with my point of views so i won't preach the things that i don't like in the bible, but any points you bring up i'll definitely discuss

You are not doing any harm to yourself. It is your children that will pay for what you do in this life not you.
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You cannot touch the moon is it real? You think you can see it but can you really?
Your destiny is not set out for you, it doesn't say anywhere in the bible that it is. You are just plain wrong about that. You are the only one who will decide if you go to heaven or not, God gave you that liberty. Jesus died so you could go to heaven, you can burn, and wipe if you chose, but if you chose that path God will not know your name. Guess you aren't as smart as I gave you credit for. Guess your reading skills need work also. God will only know those who come in the name of Jesus, so if you do these things and never know Jesus God will not know your name. Read it again because you seem to have missed a lot.
Boy's will be boy's and God himself can't stop that. Hmm A ship builder once professed to the world that God himself could not sink his ship, but on its very first trip the Titantic sank.
A man out on a lake with his family and friends in Ohio about 10 years ago on a beautiful day with no clouds anywhere in sight, stood up in the boat and yelled God is not real and I will prove it, if there is a god I dare him to strike me down. He went on daring the lord above to strike him, to prove once and for all that he was real, he shot his middle finger towards the sky, cussed and denied God. A single bolt of lightning came out of the clear blue sky and struck the man standing on the 20' pontoon among his family and friend, not a soul was hurt except the man who made the dare, he was killed instantly. Wonder where he went for eternity? They tried to use science to disprove this but were never able to. I tried to find the news article for this one but was unable to locate it, maybe one of the people here can find it and post it for you.
So I have a question for you, you say if you can't see it, touch it or feel it, it isn't real. Well then explain to me how you know that love is real? You know beyond the shadow of a doubt that I love you, but yet you cannot see, touch or fel my love, does that mean it isn't real?
Yet another question, you cannot touch ,see, or feel darkness is it real? You think that you can see it but you can't, you can only see tha absence of light. Albert Einstien said darkness was not real, there is no way to messure it, or to study it, darkness is just the absence of light. Was he wrong or are you?

I debated on whether or not to post on this one, but here goes.

I am not a firm believer in God myself. My family never went to church when I was growing up. In fact, I come from an environment in which I (my brother and sister) should have been taken from. There were many times I prayed to God to get me out of there, and I had even cursed him and wished death upon myself.

I do think it is good to have a higher being to believe in, to get you through difficult times. I have also thought the Bible exists to try to keep peace in the world.

I read the Bible when I was young from front to back (my choice). I went to church a couple of times as a child when I spent the night with someone. I also have been to church a few times as an adult. I just don't feel comfortable going to church.

I never studied the Bible in history class, so that makes me question its reality. There are many othere theories as to how the world exists. Which one is right?

My in-laws are pretty religious and try to get me to go to church with them. I've went a couple of times, and have no desire to return. It's just not my "cup of tea".

I have been asked before if I go to church. I think it is because of the way I look, and because I have a kind and calm nature to me. I am not a bad person. I live by the old saying "treat others how you want to be treated" and this works for me. I may not always have it returned to me, but it makes me feel at peace knowing I've been kind/helped someone when they have needed it. I also believe if you do something bad to someone, it will turn around and bite you in the hind end one day. I also think the world has good and evil in it, and to me everybody has some good to them, you just have to open your eyes to see it in them.
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